Good cause, see you all there, is this show 21+ or all ages?

i believe its all ages...

not to play the devils advocate but..........he did do it to himself when he set the ink/paint to a surface. i'm all for supporting his cause dont get me wrong but one must take full responsibility for one's own actions. and the fact that i've seen his tag more than any other around here doesnt help his case. but that's rad the viaduct is starting to do hip hop shows, maybe i'll finally check it out.

its actually a labor of love for this kid i know, its mostly hardcore and indie rock but when he was running the old version, the Hall, there was a couple hip hop shows. not sure why this event got hooked up with them but more power to it, its a good location (accessible not friendly lol) but there's always a couple dive bars around when the grown ups get bored.

He didn't do it to himself? Who the fuck did it to him then? He was set-up?

Nigga plz

The self ups all over the internet didn't help him any in this case. But he got the most from it so i'm down for support!

What is the United Way of Pierce County?

I just can't for the life of me figure out how this is a "good cause."

i leave this thread the way it started...
"dumb founded"

Watch the detectives on that kid's case roll down to the "movement" show with some boys in blue and start taking down every fool at the show who has illegal shit plastered on their myspaces. Haha.

It's like those bee traps people use where you put some meat over a tray of water on a hot day and the bees eat until they are fat and they fall into the water below and drown...

bzzz!

Whether or not there was another benefit going on that night I would think this is a whack "cause."
And I'm not the only one here that thinks that way, so don't single me out.
Why should we support a dumbass kid who vandalized an important monument to the city plus countless other walls and items of personal/public property? Where is the artistic value in the average graff tag? How is this a worthwhile cause? How is it "hip-hop" for a delinquent kid to go about spray painting his fucking name on other people's property?
Don't get me wrong, a good piece is a good piece. But when these motherfuckers go about dropping their "tag" or basically just their fucking names on walls... that's whack. pick a useless alley wall and throw up a beautiful artistic piece and i might hold my tongue.. but that's clearly not what this kid is doing.
Why should we support this? This is what gives "hip-hop" a bad name.

You guys are clearly confused, or I'm apparently missing something.
"since when is being cool with the law hip-hop?"
what the fuck does that mean?
should i start raping and murdering to assert my hip-hop status? FUCK THE COPS MAN, YEAH! .... i roll my eyes at you, sonny.

there's a line man. i don't give a shit if this was the only show in town that night, it would still be a worthless cause. the only reason i haven't given up entirely on this so-called "community" here on this forum is because several of you on this thread agreed with me before I even posted. but good god, the rest of you seem lost.

good points

nasty left that pic you posted of that roller they did isnt meant to be artistic..it was to get to the highest point in that area and put there names so they could be seen..you dont have any grasp on how the whole graff thing works.

this maybe a rediculous cause to most..but id do this shit for any one i know.

There is a HUGE difference between "Graffiti" and "art". putting up a pretty piece in an alleyway is art. putting on a black hoodie a scaling fire escapes at 3am to roll out the top floor of a building is graffiti.

I don't really think graff is even hiphop anymore. Not REAL graff anyway. Graffiti doesn't have a style and Writers don't look a certain way. You can't go to the the mall and buy yourself skills. The only way to come up is to go out and break the law over and over again until you get good.. Graff has become its own subculture over the past 30 years and it's the last true form of rebellion. Real Graffiti can't be bought or sold, it can't be exploited by Mtv or a record label or a store in the mall. You can't pay established writers to go bomb with you (well maybe you could).. in any case, graff isn't supposed to be pretty and make you say, "awww how nice". It's for fame. That's its only purpose. prime example- Enuf..I hate that guys letters but GODDAMN that guy gets up and you don't see my name all over the city. He has made his point because I know his name and half the city has seen it.

People need to seperate legal art from real Graffiti.

On ENUF:

Who the hell would want to be "famous" for being the shittiest writer on the west coast.. That guy needs to get beat up and go learn how to use his finger first. great, he got down the skill of evading while painting. Now if he did something worth looking at, it would be -- well, worth looking at.

I dont think anyone has a desire to be famous for being a shithead. So he has failed in that sense.

Props to his getting up, negative props to his weak weak weak weak skill.

the stupidity is just fucking awe inspiring.

look..we're just doing a friend a solid.

and you know what nastyleft??

i just want to congratulate you for being a better person than me and everyone else invovled in this illogical, illconcieved, and what did you say? oh yeah "whack cause".

i hope your benefit is a huge success and the money generated will help the crystal judson family with what ever the fuck "they're" and I mean "they're" problem is.

you fucking hypocrite.

we're doing the same thing your doing..just with better music.

the only difference?

the cause.

now go rehearse..you got a show in four days.

Props to Nasty Left. I think you've reminded us that we are on a forum. We can't get pissed when someone disagrees with us. If we agreed all the time we would stagnate intellectually, artistically and spiritually. That's the reason forums exist. So suck your fucking thumb if you can't contribute in a constructive manner.

ICurbYou makes a good point too. Getting up is not enough. Artists like Banksy would violate a cultural icon like the Louvre if they had something important to say. Getting up is not enough. What else do you say when you get up there? Say someone scaled to the top of Union Station and wrote their tag. Sure, props for getting up there. What physical dexterity! But that would be a piece of Tacoma History destroyed for nothing more than bragging rights. But if that artist has something to say, they've got our attention haven't they? The dilemma comes with what the writer does with that attention. I think in this case we are still waiting. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If the writer does nothing with the letters on the wall graffiti has been cheapened. But there are a lot of talented artists out there.

bomb the suburbs.

So many valid and honest opinions and arguments in here. Im truly impressed. As for Mr. Curb you know I always hate you for being right. As a writer I can be seen as biased but from a completely neutral stand point, YOU HAVE to know and prepare yourself for the consequences of your actions. Second, folks into illegal activities need to learn at some point drawing attention to yourself is RETARDED YOU FUCKING MORON...WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT, is it just me here?

also...

no one's said what the money goes to. i think i saw something about legal costs for Risen (but i'm not reading everything again) and all the flyer says is hip hop/art benefit. so again, what does the money benefit? if its for the hip hop scene then you might as well fork it over to 253HH for working his ass off on this site and shit.

NASTY LEFT! Mabey that shit aint art, and mabey that kid is a dumbass, But it seems that dumb ass has alot of friends who would rather pool together to help him out. We should only be so lucky. So instead of hating on the shit just let the shit go. U dont agree with what the kid does ok! we get that. Nasty left isnt down with the shit. But damn man, just imagine if you were in a situation, weather it be a self made one or not. Woundt you like to have people who support you there to help you out? just leave it alone. Theres no reason to argue over this shit!

253hiphop:

I don't need the money guys, just support local hiphop :)~

I could use some cash. let's do a Benefit for me.. we can call it the Benefit for Joeski to buy nicer shit than you. gotta pay that mortgage. :)

i read through, and come to the conclusion that hiphop is becoming gayer and gayer than kanye wearing LV backpack with mr. hat on his hand and talk about how awesome he is. the InTurnEtZ is serious business.

Yaaaawn

mabey its inteded to be an ART HIP HOP BENNIFIT SHOW, and this just happens to be the RISEN movment cause. You see what im saying. It is what it is. Its giong to be a hip hop and art show. but its also gonna help out a friend of someone.

Nasty Left:

eriksoderquist:

NASTY LEFT! Mabey that shit aint art, and mabey that kid is a dumbass, But it seems that dumb ass has alot of friends who would rather pool together to help him out. We should only be so lucky. So instead of hating on the shit just let the shit go. U dont agree with what the kid does ok! we get that. Nasty left isnt down with the shit. But damn man, just imagine if you were in a situation, weather it be a self made one or not. Woundt you like to have people who support you there to help you out? just leave it alone. Theres no reason to argue over this shit!

This show is not beneficial for either of the two things it is stated as being a benefit for:
1.) Art. We've already determined what this kid did isn't art.
2.) Hip-Hop. What this kid did only gives hip-hop a bad name in the local community, and makes it harder for us to get shows and convince places like the Broadway Center to allow acts like E-40 to come to town.

no, that was you who determined that what he did wasn't art. some of us may feel that risen has done some sick pieces in the past along with the fact that most art is subjective. You don't know his intentions fully or what the cause of him painting or tagging anything was. already his art has sparked a bigger response on these forums then anything you've ever done. you can determine that what he did on the temple was vandalism and that's fine, it doesn't take away from the subjective fact that it could be art to some. To say that what he has done in the past isn't hip-hop either would be fraudulent. Do you know risen? Have you seen his pieces? I'm guessing no. He's one of the most talented young writers in our scene. Can't I support that and throw some money towards the cause of cultivating that? we're rallying around a friend who obviously made a mistake but who I guarantee will be over-prosecuted for what he did. Nothing wrong with that.